It was a recent article by the Daily Mail that brought me to the topic of this essay, though not the article per se. It all started with the discovery in an underwater cave in Mexico’s Quintana Roo province of a boy’s bones which date to around 10,000 years ago. Having been studied in situ for four year now, the bones have been brought to the surface for further study.
The bit that is supposed to grab your attention, however, is the possibility that we might have to rewrite history (yet again) based on this discovery, this new evidence, that humans were already in the southern part of North America while the Clovis peoples were migrating across the Bering land bridge. The point being there would be no time for the Clovis peoples to migrate that far south, therefore the boy was part of another earlier civilization. (They were called Clovis after the Clovis, New Mexico site where they were first discovered.)
I just don’t see this supposition borne out by the facts. Migration from Eurasia is estimated to have occurred about 17,000 years ago. Clovis peoples are in what is now New Mexico around 13,000 years ago. It is about this time something triggered a “cooling event,” the Younger-Dryas stadial, and habitation of the Clovis sites ceased.
Unless these so-far resilient and resourceful people suddenly became dimwitted and decided they didn’t want to follow the game (their food) to a warmer climate, there is plenty of time for them to have migrated to the Quintana Roo region and much farther.
It was this story on the Daily Mail’s web site that prompted the following comment:
I’ve been on enough digs and seen enough evidence to show me that humans have lived on this planet for millions of years already. Some with a very high degree of civilization. If you think what we’re living now is a high degree of civilization, you’re deluded. We have forgotten how to respect our planet and have lost all of the REAL high technological processes that we once knew through subversion and other interesting means. I truly believe that the likely scenario is that humans were already on the South American continent millions of years ago. They made their way NORTH, not South as some would have you believe. This is why we have Teotihuacan and other high tech cities in South America, Central America and Mexico, the southern, central and northern USA and Canada. The mounds, pyramids and other structures did not just build themselves and it’s impossible for much to have been done by the hands of slaves or what have you. Logic is a wonderful thing. Use it, don’t lose it.
– B. McIntyre, Montana, USA, 28/8/2010 17:44
This comment has a rating of +14, the sum of positive and negative ratings this far. You have read the comment for yourselves and now I’d like to show you what it says to me.
“I’ve been on enough digs…” Really? How many have you been on? Which ones? How many is enough? What qualifies you to interpret what you have seen on those digs?
“…and seen enough evidence to show me that humans have lived on this planet for millions of years already.” If by “humans” you mean anything in the genus Homo, then you are correct. Homo habilis appeared roughly 2.4 million years ago. If you are referring to humans that resemble modern humans, the time is closer to 200,000 years. [Timeline of Evolution]
“Some with a very high degree of civilization.” Using what scale? What determines that a civilization is of a high degree? Examples would have helped.
“If you think what we’re living now is a high degree of civilization, you’re deluded.” Perhaps, but you must forgive us since you have yet to offer anything by which we could measure these degrees. Are we Medium? 42? G? Orange? We’re deluded? Do you have a clue what you’re talking about?
“We have forgotten how to respect our planet and have lost all of the REAL high technological processes that we once knew through subversion and other interesting means.” You have now gotten so far off point you can no longer see it with a telescope, but let’s play along. Technological? Are you saying civilization and technology are synonymous? The part that reads “through subversion and other interesting means” is our first solid clue that B. McIntyre is a conspiracy theorist nut job.
“I truly believe that the likely scenario is that humans were already on the South American continent millions of years ago.” With the fact that the skeletal remains of the boy mentioned in the aforementioned news article appear to be the older than anything in Central or South America, this highlights another of McIntyre’s fallacies: that he or she is an expert. You can truly believe anything you wish, but that does NOT make it true. However, continuing to truly believe in the face of opposing evidence could indicate some sort of mental illness.
“They made their way NORTH, not South as some would have you believe.” The “some” referred to here would be, at a minimum, paleontologists and geneticists who have made it their careers to study such matters. They should all bow to McIntyre’s opinion because he/she “has been on enough digs and seen enough evidence“.
“This is why we have Teotihuacan and other high tech cities in South America, Central America and Mexico, the southern, central and northern USA and Canada.” To which high tech cities in the USA and Canada are you referring? Omaha and Toronto? Perhaps you mean the high tech, fluted arrowheads of the Clovis peoples? Because, yeah, that far surpasses anything we’re capable of in our Medium, 42, G, Orange degree of civilization. Hey, McIntyre! Did you know that we are now able to send messages long distances without having to burn anything? And we can do it in the rain! Shove that up your “Teotihuacan.”
“The mounds, pyramids and other structures did not just build themselves…” Was this meant to support your million-year-old South American dynasty theory? How? Seriously, offer some evidence these were not built by southerly migrating people.
“…and it’s impossible for much to have been done by the hands of slaves or what have you.” Holy Hannah! What the hell are you on about now? Is it possible the news article I read could be so different from the one you saw?
“Logic is a wonderful thing. Use it, don’t lose it.” This could be evidence that McIntyre likes Chinese food and/or Snapple. It certainly has the ring of something from a cookie or a bottle cap. Sadly, it is impossible to use or lose something one never had, and McIntyre MOST DEFINITELY does not have logic in his/her skill set.
There wasn’t a single fact or bit of supportable opinion in McIntyre’s comment. The entire thing was utter bullshit from “I’ve…” to “…it.“